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Title: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Lord Eoin on April 09, 2014, 02:51:06 PM
I have a 44 Mag rifle and the standard 1911 pistol....
I am looking for a common powder to use for both that meets WB specs.
200grn bullets in 45 and maybe the same for 44.
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Blackfoot on April 09, 2014, 03:54:45 PM
I use Titegroup in .44mag and .45acp with 200gr. lead bullets.  Works fine for me.

Blackfoot
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: KingSnake on April 09, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
Red Dot has been available in my area and works for both.
Works well for 12ga shotgun loads also.

KingSnake
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: DUSTY BODDAMS on April 09, 2014, 06:06:59 PM
lots of good powders to do both. WST, unique, bullseye, clays, 700x,231, red dot, herco, WSL if you had some jugs of it laying around. it would be best to see what you have or can get.   whatever your running in the 45, if it's working and doing good the 44 mag will work fine with that same powder.......as far as wb specs ,which I take to mean power factor. you need access to a chronograph you have got to make a minimum of 150 pf . everyone I know tries to make at least 160-165 for cushion. a 200 grain bullet has to chrony at 750 to meet the floor. the speed you actually want is 800 feet per second or thereabouts for a power factor of 160........ dusty boddams
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Wild Bodie Tom on April 10, 2014, 10:01:59 AM
And when ya find the magic rainbow source that has all the usable powders in question, please let us all know as well....
Good Luck!!!!!!
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Lord Eoin on April 22, 2014, 08:40:44 PM
  Going thru my powders I have Bullseye, Unique, WST, Pyrodex and straight Black powdwer.
  Also lots of rifle powders for .223 & .308 match ammo.
  Local Shop doesn't carry reloading components since the new owners took over and banned lead bullets on the range.
   I am looking at using 200grn bullets for both cartridges.
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Garrison Joe on April 23, 2014, 07:15:53 AM
Is there a question in there some place, or do you just want us to tell you to find another local gun shop who will stock (or try to) the items you need?

Unique will be greatin .44 mag, and WST in .45 auto.

Good luck, GJ
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Lord Eoin on April 29, 2014, 05:50:43 PM
Garrison Joe,   Thanks for the prod.....Time to clean up the reloading bench and at least process the primed .45 acp.  Probably use the WST and save the Unique for the 44 ammo.
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Tully Mars on April 30, 2014, 06:41:06 AM
Unique works great in both cartridges.
Tully
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: SlimPigguns on April 30, 2014, 06:57:57 PM
I use Trailboss in .45ACP and .44 mag ( and .357mag and 45/70 as well) - Pete
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: backshooting beauford on June 15, 2014, 12:43:53 AM
unique !!
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Cpt Dan Blodgett on December 30, 2014, 11:26:42 AM
I have used AA2 for both for years the same 5.2 grain load   Shoot it out of 44 spec and 45 Colt as well
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: The Original Lumpy Gritz on January 11, 2015, 07:51:22 PM
.44 mag, 'cowboy' 240gn bullet use 6.5gn of Unique.
.45acp, 200gn bullet use 5.5 WW231/HP38.
LG
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Garand on August 06, 2015, 03:55:17 PM
5.1 grains of 231 in .44 mag (240 gr bullet)
5.7 grains of 231 in .45 acp (200 grain bullet)
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Blackfoot on August 07, 2015, 04:20:47 AM
Titegroup supply seems to have dried up so I am now using Red Dot.  It works fine in my .44mag and .45ACP using 200 gr bullets. 

Blackfoot

Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: deputygene on August 30, 2017, 01:27:01 AM
We are in the same boat, I will be loading for 45acp and 44 mag. I just got some 200gr 45 SWC's in, my pistol liked the load I tried, which was around 4 gr bullseye, but I believe it may be a touch light. I have just ried a very light loaded .40 S&W with a 155 plated bullet and 231 powder. This is a soft shooter. I have used tightgroup for years with lead bullets, but it is a fast hot powder that will give you some smoke. I gonna experiment some.
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Garrison Joe on August 30, 2017, 07:54:03 AM
Large numbers of .45 auto shooters use WST powder for target loads (which is essentially what we fire in WB).   With a 200 grain bullet, you can go well above the necessary velocity for WB.  (A 230 grain, you have very limited range of data for getting a safe pressure load that also is safely above the Power Factor).  WST burns clean and cool, compared to TG.       

The Semiwadcutter bullet will not be as versatile as a Truncated Cone or Round Nose Flat Point.   Using the H&G 68 design 200 grain SWC, load that so the top edge of shoulder comes just barely above the mouth of case and taper crimp down to about 0.471" OD right at the mouth.  At least, that was my recipe for 30 years of shooting the SWC, before switching to TC design that is a little more forgiving on having an exact seating depth.   The sharp shoulder on a SWC seated slightly long will jam on the rifling that starts very close to the chamber on a standard throated 1911 barrel.  Leading to failure to chamber during the last 1/8" of slide travel.

And, WST will work fine for a light loading in the .44 Mag, too.

Good luck, GJ
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: J. Frank Norfleet on August 30, 2017, 10:38:44 AM
Large numbers of .45 auto shooters use WST powder for target loads (which is essentially what we fire in WB).   With a 200 grain bullet, you can go well above the necessary velocity for WB.  (A 230 grain, you have a hard time getting a safe pressure load that also is safely above the Power Factor).  . . . Good luck, GJ
What? ? ? ? ?

Don't let Joe lead you astray.  ;)  The softest shooting load I've found for Wild Bunch is 4.0 gr. WST under a 230 gr. RN bullet for a 162 PF. I can't begin to count the number of Wild Bunch shooters that use some variation of that load. The felt recoil is less because you get more of a push with that load.

5.2 gr. of WST with the 230 gr. is the load I can shoot full auto through my Thompson SMG and keep it from walking off the target.

The 200 gr. bullets require more velocity to reach PF so you get more recoil. So I don't recommend them.
JFN
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Garrison Joe on August 30, 2017, 10:46:11 AM
Go read Hodgdon's online data for .45 auto and a 230 LRN bullet and WST. 

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol (http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol)

You will see they call 4.3 grains of WST and the 230 LRN bullet the MAX load.   Making 812 FPS, which would be a PF of 187.
Yep, I agree, 4.0 WST is a great load under a 230 grain slug. Some 1911s might even need 4.1 or 4.2 grains.

WST is still a great powder, but I seriously think you are way over recommended pressure if you shoot 5.2 grains under a 230.
Maybe that data is wrong, but it is what the powder manufacturer themselves are publishing and have published for as long as I've used WST (over ten years).

Be careful out there!


Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: Abe E.S. Corpus on August 30, 2017, 02:56:37 PM
Lots of suitable powders; many have been mentioned.

If you like the faster burning powders you might like Clean Shot from Shooters World.  It is a very fine grained powder.

If you prefer a midrange powder such as Unique, consider Universal or IMR's Unequal which is its "answer" to Unique.
Title: Re: 44 Mag and .45 ACP common powder loads
Post by: lostvaquero on August 30, 2017, 07:34:00 PM
Trailboss has loads for both as well as other calibers.

For Cas I shoot 38s and data for those is just the same amount of powder as 45acp.  If I use small primer 45acp then I can load my 38s and 45acp without powder change and primer change.  Just change shell plate and dies.