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Title: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Lone Dog on February 28, 2016, 12:30:33 PM
Well it is way past time we allowed the 87 to play in this game. I have shot a coupla local matches with mine and let me tell ya it is a real hoot to run that levergun fully stoked on a 6 shot WBAS run. I know I have suggested this before and got nowhere with it. I really cannot see why not. It is just as likely back in the day that an 87 would have been being utilyzed as it is a M12 was. Know whut I mean Vern?

Also the new Ithaca/Inland Mod 37 trench gun looks perfect for this game. It sho am purdy. A little bit ( ok what the hell a lot ) pricey for a pump gun but dang do it look spiffy. I may never get one unless I find a used one worth the money someday but until that time I can dream...
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Wild Bodie Tom on February 28, 2016, 03:48:45 PM
PM Happy Jack.
just sayin...lol
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Sgt. John Campbell on February 28, 2016, 04:47:33 PM
Last time I watched the movie "The Wild Bunch", on which our sport is based, I don't seem to recall seeing any Winchester 87 shotguns being used, just Model 97's and Model 12's.  You can shoot a Model 97, you can shoot an IAC 97/93, you can shoot a Model 12, or you can shoot trench gun variations of all these...we don't need any more shotgun choices.
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Lone Dog on February 29, 2016, 01:21:22 PM
Well originally I guess WBAS was based on the movie, now not so much. Mebbeso more a blend of the movie and the Punitive Expedition. Strother Martin used an 03 in the movie and we don't allow it in the main match. There were 87s around in the time of the movie is set in. I'm bettin' if ole Sam Peckinpah had thot about it there would have been an 87 or two in the movie. Bet. There were certainly those amongst us who thot we did not need the M12 in this game but now thankfully we have them. Just blanket statement-ing "we doan need no mo guns" is narrow-minded. Of course we do. Just think -- maybe it will bring all the CAS shooters with an 87 and a 1911 into the game. There is no competitive advantage to the 87 and I am here to testify it is a major hoot to stoke it up and cut loose like Saint JMB designed it to do.
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Griff on March 16, 2016, 08:06:39 PM
Can I get an "Amen" for the Auto 5? 
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: J. Frank Norfleet on March 16, 2016, 08:09:16 PM
"Amen" Now what is an auto 5?
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Boggus Deal on March 16, 2016, 08:16:22 PM
The old Browning hump back semi auto.
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Griff on March 16, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
"Amen" Now what is an auto 5?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Auto-5, designed in 1898, patented in 1900 and first produced by FN in 1902, marked in the US as Browning Automatic 5, and FN in the rest of the world.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/RemingtonMd11.JPG/350px-RemingtonMd11.JPG)

2nd most produced auto-loading shotgun.  Produced by FN, Remington, Savage and Miroku. 
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Lone Dog on March 17, 2016, 12:10:21 PM
Nerp.  No amen on any autoloaders as too many would cry "foul" and perceive a competitive advantage. And they could might well have a point there. No advantage to the 87. So, Griff, if the Auto 5 is the second most widely produced autoloader of all time inquiring minds want to know what is first? My guess is Rem 1100...
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: DUSTY BODDAMS on March 17, 2016, 03:23:31 PM
 ;D actually as we use shotguns in wild bunch based on six rounds  the remmy  knock offs and the Brownings would not be competitive at all. Dusty
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Lone Dog on March 18, 2016, 02:20:14 PM
There are Auto 5 variants, notably the South African riot gun, with extended mags and forearms that not only would be competitive but dominant. I want one in the worst way.
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: DUSTY BODDAMS on March 18, 2016, 07:31:56 PM
I know the gun your talking about and I would love to get one. They are expensive but if that gun was legal it would be king of the road........ Dusty
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Lone Dog on March 19, 2016, 11:18:27 AM
Yes it sure would. What are the rules about adding extended mag tubes to otherwise legal guns such as the lightweight Model 12 ?
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: DUSTY BODDAMS on March 19, 2016, 12:18:13 PM
Can't add an extended tube under current rules. That said if you get one of them South African a5's bring it with you and we will shoot an "off the books " stage with it and see how it does against a model 12.
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Lone Dog on March 20, 2016, 12:59:47 PM
Not likely. They are like hen's teeth. Never seen airy one 'cept in pictures
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Griff on March 20, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
;D actually as we use shotguns in wild bunch based on six rounds  the remmy  knock offs and the Brownings would not be competitive at all. Dusty
Yep, just as with the SAA and the 1911, the '97 or mdl 12 can be fired faster than the auto-loader.
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Lone Dog on March 21, 2016, 02:19:28 PM
So, Griff are ye not gonna answer my question?
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Boggus Deal on March 21, 2016, 03:10:18 PM
Yes it sure would. What are the rules about adding extended mag tubes to otherwise legal guns such as the lightweight Model 12 ?

No can do. I've asked about it and the Model 25. Answer was no.
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: DUSTY BODDAMS on March 21, 2016, 03:20:39 PM
Can I get an "Amen" for the Auto 5?
GRIFF  ;D ;D ;D that shur is a good looking avatar you got there!!
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Wild Bodie Tom on March 21, 2016, 04:58:45 PM
If only folks knew five percent of what went into getting the Model 12 on board.............
Just sayin.

That was driven by mainly one individual, and many, many months of research, study, and one helluva presentation....
Or it probably wouldn't be.



Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Griff on March 21, 2016, 09:49:42 PM
Can I get an "Amen" for the Auto 5?
GRIFF  ;D ;D ;D that shur is a good looking avatar you got there!!
Thought you'd get a chuckle out of it!
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Lone Dog on March 22, 2016, 12:19:21 AM
Yes it sure would. What are the rules about adding extended mag tubes to otherwise legal guns such as the lightweight Model 12 ?

No can do. I've asked about it and the Model 25. Answer was no.

The answer is always no until it isn't. It was no for years on the 93/97 and the M12. Real sad about the Model 25 fo sho...
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Boggus Deal on March 22, 2016, 07:05:03 AM
If I could find a 25 or 12 LW at a decent price, I would extend it just for the fun of it.
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: DUSTY BODDAMS on March 22, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
BD I had a 25 and that was a solid nice shotgun with really good dimensions. Of course it wasn't legal and it didn't hold enough shells but as a field gun it could not be beat. Other than the obvious differences it operated smooth and had good fitting but was not polished out as much as a model 12 and the wood on mine looked oil finished instead of varnish .
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Nawlins Kid on March 23, 2016, 03:19:08 PM
If only folks knew five percent of what went into getting the Model 12 on board.............
Just sayin.

That was driven by mainly one individual, and many, many months of research, study, and one helluva presentation....
Or it probably wouldn't be.

I appreciate what this individual (yes I know who) did.  To take the time and had the fortitude to do all that was needed to get Model 12 approved. The great result is that current and future WB shooters have a great shotgun to use!!!!
Nawlins
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: lostvaquero on March 24, 2016, 10:14:46 AM
I could see the 1887 being allowed.  As for not in the movie, well.........those were not 45acp pistols, a luger was in there which isn't allowed, so saying if it wasn't in the movie....as mentioned I get WB is a sort of blend. 
Title: Re: Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns
Post by: Lone Dog on March 24, 2016, 12:09:52 PM
Yup, if we went strictly by the movie everyone of us would have to buy a Star Model B in 9mm and use only a 92 for the rifle