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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: Changing How We Write Stages
« Last post by Lone Dog on September 21, 2017, 08:32:36 PM »
Amen. The concept of the rifle is the projection of power over a distance. NOT to see who can toggle it the fastest. The modern paradigm that has taken over CAS and driven so many out of it was a big mistake and turn for the worse. When I started in 96 we had main match rifle targets up to 75 yards away and none inside of 20 yards. We had silly stuff on and off the clock too and we sure had a hell of a lot more fun back then. I believe 5 or 6 or 7 rifle rounds on big targets out at 40 and 50 yards would be a big winner for WBAS. The new paradigm crowd just cannot comprehend how many folks stay home now instead of coming out for that run n gun toggle fast stuff but look at the membership numbers -- there has to be a bunch of 'em I do believe.
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Last post by Allie Mo on September 21, 2017, 08:18:47 PM »
Anyone who answered with two words gets a gold star, even if I disagree with you.  ;)
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Last post by Back 40 on September 21, 2017, 08:14:10 PM »
STAGE POINTS!!
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Wild Bunch Rules Forum / Re: legal pistol for modern class
« Last post by pill roller on September 21, 2017, 07:33:01 PM »
Thanks
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Last post by DUSTY BODDAMS on September 21, 2017, 06:50:49 PM »
Stage Points.   Total time simply encourages youthful, adolescent, reckless abandon.  We should be responsible adults.  Matches should ONLY be scored based on the overall finish, with category placements based on overall. 

Total time scoring is a falsehood perpetuated by a weak-willed majority, that want their participation trophy regardless of skill or actual performance.  Any event where raw speed outweighs the ability to hit targets has denigrated into less of a shooting contest and more of a "trigger drag race."

A contest where 4 people that shoot 12, fast, clean stages can be beat by someone that has misses, is no longer a contest of shooting skill.  Let's not become "cowboy with a 1911" all over again.

  ;D Griff, I was going to say something clever about this like why don't you just say what's on your mind? But it's so well written and makes the point so well that I just have to agree with you and I think you hit the nail on the head! You play'n this weekend? Dusty B
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Last post by Col. Cornelius Gilliam on September 21, 2017, 05:56:17 PM »
Total Time
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Last post by VICIOUS on September 21, 2017, 02:03:02 PM »
STAGE scoring.  categories only.
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: Changing How We Write Stages
« Last post by DUSTY BODDAMS on September 21, 2017, 12:15:15 PM »
J Frank, great minds,what can I say! I have been trying to push the rifle targets back with anyone who will listen. I've noticed a definite creeping in of target distances at some matches. Some of this can be contributed to trying to set up stages short handed etc. looks like to me going to seven rounds perhaps cutting the rifle count to 5-7 rounds and busting the distance back 35-50 yards with good sized targets would put a reason for the rifle to exist. Now as things stand the rifle is just an auxillery pistol with a stock to up the round count. How many times have you got to the rifle targets and thought heck I could do this with my pistol! Now I'm not advocating turning the rifle into a precision shoot but anyone should be able to hit a 2/3 IDPA target at 40-50 yards at speed. As for shotgun,we'll come to the Texas state match you will be entertained. As far as the 7 round pistol mags I'm not interested in these sweeps that turn into 5-6-7 round dumps. At last months match we had a stage that was 40 pistol and 10 shotgun, no double taps and no dumps. How's that for stage writing! J Frank keep up the good work. Dusty Boddams
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: who's faster WB or Cowboy
« Last post by Griff on September 21, 2017, 10:30:27 AM »
I ain't exactly a speed demon with my SAA, but I can get shot-to-shot split times faster with it, than my 1911 can cycle.  And that was with 200 grain pills in both rifle & pistol (.45s each)
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Last post by Happy Jack on September 21, 2017, 09:24:40 AM »
We intend to keep stage points for major matches. (WR, EOT) Until the problems with DNF's and SDQ's are addressed successfully with TT we plan to keep the system.  As for the issues at EOT the problems occur with ANY scoring system when there is a SDQ or a DNF when you score within category (a small pool) the SDQ or DNF becomes a huge factor.  When you re-score with a large pool (total shooters for overall) the SDQ/DNF becomes a much smaller factor. That is just the way math works.  One thing being considered is IF Overall Winners are going to continue (SASS likes them) Instead of scoring within category and then re-scoring Overall we may just do like TT and RP currently score. Just score everyone together in Overall and then pick the category winners out of that list in order. That would make it impossible for a person to NOT win their category and place above others in their category overall. The downside is you loose the pure within category scoring. You can't have it both ways.
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