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Wild Bodie Tom

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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2014, 12:57:23 PM »
Okay Gene. You asked....
Let the shooter him/her self determine the amount of rounds to load in their magazines for the particular stage. Remember. You asked.... LOL

Just sayin

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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2014, 08:48:38 AM »
I believe Gene is looking for serious input and ideas to work with the committee to help in the growth of WB.  I sent him the post below, and have since had a good positive conversation with him about this.  I would encourage others to as well!

Gene, after reading some of the wild bunch wire post under 7 rounds in magazine thread, I was going to post this below, but then thought better to just send it to you, and prevent the wire repercussions.
 
So, what I am hearing from the "committee" members is it doesn't really matter to them to shoot 5 or 7.  Dressing up is holding back new shooters.  Don't ask to change the rules, just shoot.  Exposure to the sport is lacking.  After looking at MANY monthly scores across the southwest, including some of the shooters clubs represented here, as well as our own monthly...we can barely muster much more than half a dozen shooters.  WHY wouldn't we look to have some change, even to eliminate outsiders perception of the sport, such as the 5 round rule change..or ANY other changes that might attract any new shooters.  Our club is part of a larger 1000+ member shooting range, we have promoted at general meetings, shot\promoted with IPSC,Idpa, 3 gun, and we have yet to recruit any new members.  We had a couple IPSC shooters come, but they have since stopped.  The shooters we have are from CAS.  We have shot stand alone WB matches since its inception, (4 years now) advertised in the WB match section (some 3000 views), and have yet to have any WB visitors.  We are down to asking for rsvp's for match attendance to be sure we have anybody show up.   I am being blatantly honest here with my post, and frustrated about our future.
 
I believe if there is going to be any growth, there must be some change or ideas, at this point in the game.
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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2014, 09:02:35 AM »
El Mulo Vaquero,
I, personally, deeply regret not making it up to shoot with you all, as the ambassador for this region. I will see if I can do that soon!
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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2014, 09:55:00 AM »
Personally I believe the rifle to be the biggest hurdle for shooters from other disciplines. We put less emphasis on it and the round count is lower. The cost of a rifle and the reloading set up to support it is a lot.

So! How about a "Professionals" category?  Men, women, young and old all combined.

1911 that meets current WB rules.
12 Gauge pump shotgun. Any pump. Have the shooter load it on the line under the TO's supervision.
No rifle!!

Most shooters from other sports will more than likely have this equipment. And who wouldn't want t an excuse to buy a 1911?

Shooter decides whether to load 5 or 7 and announces that decision at the line.

All rifle targets are shot with the 1911!

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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2014, 01:25:18 PM »
Personally I believe the rifle to be the biggest hurdle for shooters from other disciplines. We put less emphasis on it and the round count is lower. The cost of a rifle and the reloading set up to support it is a lot.

So! How about a "Professionals" category?  Men, women, young and old all combined.

1911 that meets current WB rules.
12 Gauge pump shotgun. Any pump. Have the shooter load it on the line under the TO's supervision.
No rifle!!
I tend to agree that the rifle aspect may be one thing that may be presenting a hurdle.  However, I don't agree that we should do away with the rifle.  The biggest obstacle I've heard is the requirement for .40 caliber or larger rifle.  If this were changed to .357 caliber or larger, with a minimum 150 power factor, this would be a much better solution.  My logic is based on the fact that many shooters already use .357 caliber rifles as their main match rifles in CAS, allowing them in WBAS with a firm minimum power factor would definitely help us sway some of the folks to our side of the fence.
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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2014, 03:59:44 PM »
I still think that we need more exposure. There are so many folks that don't really know what we do. Telling folks one time won't get the job done people have be reminded several times before a point is committed to memory AND then they have to have a place to go try it. I don't know if it's equipment or not because at my home club we have an open class that is defined as ANY pump shotgun, any 1911 and ANY SASS legal  rifle. I think we have had 2 shooters in 3 years for that category ........as far as costuming goes when you go to any other type of match they are in costume. Any time you buy special clothes to shoot or hunt out of that's costuming. Look at all the "tactical" clothes out there COSTUMING!  ;D Dusty boddams

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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2014, 11:02:03 AM »
Again.  Many good points.  I agree with Dusty in that we need more positive exposure to let people know what we do and how much fun it is.  WB is very popular when held with CAS shoots where what it is  known.  it has been proved that allowing a .357 rifle does not result in more shooters. It is and has been tried in many clubs.  It is and always has been a big bore sport.  5 round or 7 round really does not seem to matter to those who do shoot which are mostly CAS shooters.  Negative comments about the 5 round rule usually come from combat shooters many of who have a negative view of CAS as a shooting sport for several reasons.  Same with the dress up part. If you eliminated both the concerns of costuming and mag capacity many of those same shooters would not change their opinion. If you changed both costuming and mag capacity it would only help change the perception of not being SASS with a 1911 but I am not sure it would result in more shooters.   Conclusion is that the combat shooters are a hard sell. Any serious shooter will shoot whatever mag capacity is required and information about dress can be addressed with exposure.  A hat and work boots cannot be a reason not to shoot.  The equipment deal doesn't not stop people from spending lots of money to shoot modern 3 gun or CAS or buying motorcycles or boats.  People do that because the WANT to do things.  We need to make the WANT to shoot with us.  Good positive articles and TV coverage will help. I am going to try to get an article in an NRA publication which is pretty difficult.  Kane Robertson said he would help all he can which won't hurt.

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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2014, 04:52:21 PM »
I shot an IDPA match today.  At the shooters' meeting I talked about WB.  We had one IDPA shooter shoot our last monthly WB Match.  He had fun and did very well with the pistol.  I let him talk about WB and that it is a 'real' shooting sport built around the 1911 with all metal targets and lots of reactive.  We are having the SC State WB Match at the end of the month and I invited them to come and watch.  I had several say they were going to check it out.  It was very positive.  So, we shall see if it did any good.  We have 44 signed up for the state match, so we are growing, slowly but growing.
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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2014, 06:53:21 PM »
That's great your number almost out numbers the number signed up for the four corners regional from a email I received this weekend we had between 70 & 80 from four states signed up for the match later this month in regular CAS.

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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2014, 08:46:41 AM »
FYI, we had a 70 round stage Saturday. Everyone switched from 5 to 7 rounds in their magazines. Of the 6 of us shooting, 2 got SDQs for moving with the slide forward after the 5th round. I was barely saved from doing it too.
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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2014, 10:45:03 AM »
Boy. Do I want to chime in..... LOL

But, I shall not!

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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2014, 05:03:32 PM »
You wuss!
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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2014, 05:11:20 PM »
YUP! LOL
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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2014, 06:29:14 PM »
You wuss!
Maybe I scared him speechless!  :o ;)
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Re: 7 Round Mags in Wild Bunch
« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2014, 08:47:26 PM »
I don't really think that's the reason he's speechless!  ::)