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PapaGrande

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Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« on: July 23, 2014, 02:58:11 AM »
I'm curious about where the rules are codified for The Wild Bunch matches in terms of costumes?  I understand what's specifically prohibited and what's suggested.  What I don't see are discussions about clothing that was definitely in the movie (ex. paperboy caps) yet no one seems to talk about them.

Any help would be deeply appreciated.  Thanks.

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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2014, 05:43:42 AM »
I just wear my usual CAS clothes. So did Pike, Dutch, Lyle, Tector, and Angel after they got out of them monkey suits.

If you want to go with the doughboy look anything and everything from Indian Wars to SpanAm to WWI are welcome.

No one is going to look down on anyone else's garb in this game. We are a welcoming bunch so just wear whatcha want.
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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2014, 09:10:24 AM »
It might be helpful if you scroll down to the "wild bunch costuming" started by Evil Roy,  it is a good thread with several helpful responses.

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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2014, 09:28:54 AM »
I concur with Gene on this subject. But, considering what I usually wear.... LOL

Anyway. I love seeing the folks in their uniforms, especially the Russian lady at WinterRange a couple years back.....

It is a shooting venue. Yes we must dress up to "some" degree and not be a t-shirt, track shoes, ball cap image. As far as I am concered, do what satisfies something of era wear, and go shoot!

Just sayin.
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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2014, 12:24:08 PM »
I was thinking that I would like to wear a newsboy cap, simple long-sleeved work shirt, dungarees and lace-up boots. 

I definitely would not do the ball cap/t-shirt/running shorts/sneakers look, but I also don't want to wear a heavy-duty costume either.

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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2014, 02:07:12 PM »
A "newsboy cap" is certainly period correct for Wild Bunch. Not so for CAS. Robber Baron wears one all the time. As for the laceup boots, most are legal, but so called "combat boots" aren't. Period military style boots without grip-enhancing soles are legal IF they are part of a matching costume.
It sounds s if the costume you are planning is legal.
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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2014, 02:24:48 PM »
Pink tux shirts, pink and purple boas.... Hey, period correct. Maybe in a New Orleans Brothel.... But we didn't say "where" it is period correct. Just sayin.
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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2014, 10:01:46 PM »
Pink tux shirts, pink and purple boas.... Hey, period correct. Maybe in a New Orleans Brothel.... But we didn't say "where" it is period correct. Just sayin.

Everything I mentioned was in the actual movie...

Flat caps from which the newsboy cap derives may be traced back to the 14th century in Northern England.  I've seen  Daguerreotypes of the Old West dating to the latter 19th Century and some of the men and boys are wearing this type of cap. They may not follow the CAS rules but they are authentic to the place and time.

I was thinking about wearing a pink Henley shirt with a newsboy cap and lace-up boots along with a period correct set of Packard fisher-stripe coveralls but I cannot ascertain for certain what brand of convertible was owned by the Mexican general?

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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2014, 12:58:02 PM »
A "newsboy cap" is certainly period correct for Wild Bunch. Not so for CAS. Robber Baron wears one all the time. As for the laceup boots, most are legal, but so called "combat boots" aren't. Period military style boots without grip-enhancing soles are legal IF they are part of a matching costume.
It sounds s if the costume you are planning is legal.

Just curious but why would period military style boots not be equally legal if worn with the regular CAS costume?
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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2014, 02:05:37 PM »
Lone Dog, SASS specifically outlaws "combat boots". With the emphasis on military costuming in WBAS we carved out an exception to go with the costume.
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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2014, 02:18:56 PM »
Yes I know what SASS says about MODERN combat boots in CAS.

I would not think the old brown lace up combat boots from byegone eras would fall in that characterization.

So my observation stands -- old brown lace up boots should be fine with any WB costume, doughboy or cowboy.

I do not understand the fallacy of my thinking here.
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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2014, 10:55:35 PM »
Yes I know what SASS says about MODERN combat boots in CAS.

I would not think the old brown lace up combat boots from byegone eras would fall in that characterization.

So my observation stands -- old brown lace up boots should be fine with any WB costume, doughboy or cowboy.

I do not understand the fallacy of my thinking here.

I'm not certain but I don't know that the "modern" adjective is expressly part of the SASS language pertaining to this matter.  I'd like to wear a pair of old cordovan Corcoran boots I have.  They don't have rubber soles or heels that would offer any sort of tactical advantage but they also didn't yet existing during the time depicted in The Wild Bunch.

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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2014, 06:51:41 AM »
Pg, Corcoran jump boots are perfectly legal and are in the spirit of WB. I wear these and know of several other competitors that wear them. They have the correct sole and the correct look and are very comfortable. With leggings they look a lot like the original marching shoe pre ww1. In a civilian costume with the britches leg over them they look like just a early 1900's lace up boot. I put leather laces in mine and that made them look even better and they don't untie accidentally.   Dusty Boddams

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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2014, 04:49:19 PM »
 ;D ;D PG, one more thing about costuming ...........wild bunch is first and foremost a shooting competition...... the costume you are thinking of would be great. As far as worrying about everything being absolutely correct....in a word...DON'T. A friend of mine who has some great costuming summed it up best he calls it movie correct.

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Re: Costume based on The Wild Bunch?
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2014, 05:23:30 PM »
Pg, Corcoran jump boots are perfectly legal and are in the spirit of WB. I wear these and know of several other competitors that wear them. They have the correct sole and the correct look and are very comfortable. With leggings they look a lot like the original marching shoe pre ww1. In a civilian costume with the britches leg over them they look like just a early 1900's lace up boot. I put leather laces in mine and that made them look even better and they don't untie accidentally.   Dusty Boddams

Thanks, I appreciate the input.  The Corcoran's make a lot of sense in that shoes/boots like them were made back in the "Wild Bunch" days but they also stand out to some as being WWII boots...

I've shot three gun matches for a number of years with some success.  When I trade my Glock pistol/Benelli shotgun/Colt rifle for a Ruger pistol/Winchester shotgun/Pedersoli rifle, I would like to try to be outfitted in a manner that will let me shoot pretty much in the same manner I do for three gun.

I think I'm just going to wear a newsboy cap, a Henley shirt with rolled-up sleeves, Levis 501's and the Corcorans and be done with it.  Thanks again.