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El Muerto Negro

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Recipe information please
« on: November 05, 2015, 07:29:29 AM »
Hello,

At the point in wild  bunch to start to reload. I'm loading on a Dillon 550. Looking for a recipe for 45acp. I'm have large Federal primers, Clays,Clay Dot,Trail Boss. I will be getting Dillon 45acp die set and I'm looking at Badman Bullets 185g head they make for wild bunch. I would prefer a recipe using Clay Dot being in have it and would like to save the clays for my shotgun shells.

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Re: Recipe information please
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 08:24:43 AM »
Personally, I like the 230 grain bullet around 725 fps, or slightly over. Much less muzzle snap and faster splits. I don't have my load data handy and don't try to remember it, any more. I would also look at Redding dies. While Dillon makes great products, I like Redding dies better, personally.

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Re: Recipe information please
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 09:31:12 AM »
😀 well said BD, lm a big fan of the 230 that mimics the fmj. At the same speed. Can't help on the powder either because I use WST. Looks like ya'll had a big time down in the bayou! Dusty Boddams

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 09:43:03 AM »
We had A time...... It was a lot of fun but very, very wet..... I haven't been that wet since I left Georgia 17 years ago. Nellie and Possum put on a great match. I wish the weather had been better for them. And of course, one of my best stages had to be tossed out due to the weather. 

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Re: Recipe information please
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 10:11:08 AM »
😀 well said BD, lm a big fan of the 230 that mimics the fmj. At the same speed. Can't help on the powder either because I use WST. Looks like ya'll had a big time down in the bayou! Dusty Boddams


Will the redding dies work without being modified?  Why do you prefer them over dillion? Lastly i though less lead lower flip?

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Re: Recipe information please
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 10:23:41 AM »
The Redding dies work without any modifications at all. The Dillon dies have a HUGE radius at the bottom to help guide in the brass. That can lead to not sizing the case completely. The Redding dies size the case more fully. There are other reasons but that is the biggest one.
As to less muzzle flip with the heavier bullet, remember velocity plays a key factor. For a 185 grain bullet to make the same power factor that I use with the 230s, the bullet has to be going around 890 fps compare to 725.  It makes a big difference. Not like in cowboy where power factor is no consequence.  I used a 200 grain for years until J Frank Norfleet enlightened me.

Side note. I do use the Dillon small size nuts on the Redding dies. Just for room around the dies.
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Re: Recipe information please
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2015, 01:43:51 PM »

I too prefer the 230 gr. pill. After all it's the bullet the gun was designed around.
Don't have a Clay Dot recipe but 3.5 of Clays with the 230 gr works nicely for me.
Never have to worry about power factor weather at sea level and 60 degrees or
7000 ft. and 95 degrees.

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2015, 06:23:00 PM »
El Muerto, look real hard at the Trail Boss.  It is slower burning than the Clays and Clay Dot.  It is slightly slower than Winchester WST, which is a great powder with the 230 gr bullet.  Slower burning powders and the 230 will give you less felt recoil.  And to quote Jerry Miculek, "If your gun ain't on the target, you ain't winnin'."

Find a Chronograph.  Someone else's load may work for them but be entirely different in your pistol.  Not chronographing your pistol load is a recipe for a MDQ.

I won't try TB in my pistol until I am out of WST.  But, 3.6 gr Trail Boss, Federal LP & 225 hard cast bullet gives me 163 PF out of my 17.5 inch 45 ACP rifle.  I suspect that 3.8 to 4.0 gr and a 230 gr bullet will give about the same PF.  But you better chronograph it.
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Re: Recipe information please
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2015, 10:02:00 PM »
I know of no one running 185 grain slugs in WB for .45 Auto.   The gun is just not all that easily tuned to do a 185 at 900 FPS (to get you 166 PF).

Muzzle flip is almost all in how you control the gun, given the same power factor.  A faster slug does clear the barrel faster, though.

So based on that and lots of experience shooting a 200 grain bullet from 1911, that's what I shoot in WB.   Clays and Clay Dot are very close to giving same velocity and pressure.   I like about 4.2 Clay Dot to give a 170 PF in my gun, but not as much as I like WST.

Trail Boss - don't like paying extra for all that air to bulk it up.  Besides, very hard to find right now.

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Re: Recipe information please
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2015, 04:04:45 AM »
Thanks for the advice.  Where do you get your heads from? I want to get a few different weights and try them out. I like Badman Bullets products he has 185 and 230. Joe you said you use 200 where do you get them?

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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2015, 05:24:31 AM »
Www.twobitsbullets.com is where I get mine. I have used Badman. Great bullets and great people.
Twobits are good enough to win 3 NM state overall championships, the Western Territorial championship, WR overall national championship and 2nd overall at EOT. Might just be something to them and 230 grain bullets...

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Re: Recipe information please
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2015, 06:21:42 AM »
I cast my own bullets, so I can pick from several 200 grain designs.  (I  never put a "head" into a cartridge case in my life.... :o)

But I'll bet Badman has a 200 gr RNFP at least.   Makes a great load with both 45 auto and 45 Colt. 

Good luck, GJ


PS - I checked for you.  Yep, BB has the 200 RNFP either cast lubed or poly coated    That design usually has a crimp groove, but that does not mean you have to use it.  I find if I seat a 200 grain RNFP in 45 auto just about so the mouth reaches the beginning curve of the ogive nose, and then taper crimp, I get a great feeding round.


PPS - looked in several gun reference books.  The term "HEAD" is often defined as the solid end of a cartridge case which contains the primer.  The HEADSTAMP is the cartridge designation and sometimes manufacturer and sometimes mfg year information stamped into the head of a cartridge case.   The slangy attempt to use head to refer to a bullet in a cartridge case is just really wrong because it is already taken for a different meaning.   Just MHO.   

This is ammunition loading, folks, not assembling Mr. Potato Head.   ;D
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Re: Recipe information please
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2015, 11:36:22 AM »
Hey Boggus, I'm pretty sure the guy
pulling the trigger had more to with
Your wins than which bullets you use.
I do agree that the 230 is a great choice
and is what I use for bigger matches.
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Re: Recipe information please
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2015, 12:22:38 PM »
I know of only ONE person shooting Wild Bunch that uses a 185 grain bullet. The reason?? Hundreds of already loaded rounds left over from their USPSA days. With that light bullet and the high velocity required to meet USPSA PF they are not very happy with their performance in Wild Bunch. 230 is by far the most popular weight followed by 200. The "felt recoil" nicer with the heavy bullet. I can't help with load information since I have only used a 230 grain bullet and WST in 45ACP for MANY years.
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Re: Recipe information please
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2015, 07:05:42 PM »
Hello, I'm new to this forum and going to be new to wild bunch shooting soon. I've been shooting cowboy
action shooting for a year. I want to try my hands at Wild Bunch.
I have two 8 pound jugs of Red Dot and about ten 1 pound bottles of Trail Boss.
I'm looking for a recipe for 45 ACP that I can use with the two Powders I have.
Thanks
and sorry if this is posted somewhere else.