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Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2017, 07:48:41 AM »
Well as one of the apparently "weak willed majority" I would just like to say that I don't care about trophies much one way or another . I do care that the system is fair,works correctly from the start and that it doesn't require manipulating after the fact to get a result. If the scoring algorithm is sound then the formula works. If it doesn't then we need a new one.
If speed combined with accuracy is an issue maybe we should do away with the timer altogether ,that sounds fun......

I may be weak willed but I will continue to stand by the majority .

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Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2017, 08:30:30 AM »
I am in favor of total time.  It is direct, simple, and no "fudge factors."

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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2017, 09:24:40 AM »
We intend to keep stage points for major matches. (WR, EOT) Until the problems with DNF's and SDQ's are addressed successfully with TT we plan to keep the system.  As for the issues at EOT the problems occur with ANY scoring system when there is a SDQ or a DNF when you score within category (a small pool) the SDQ or DNF becomes a huge factor.  When you re-score with a large pool (total shooters for overall) the SDQ/DNF becomes a much smaller factor. That is just the way math works.  One thing being considered is IF Overall Winners are going to continue (SASS likes them) Instead of scoring within category and then re-scoring Overall we may just do like TT and RP currently score. Just score everyone together in Overall and then pick the category winners out of that list in order. That would make it impossible for a person to NOT win their category and place above others in their category overall. The downside is you loose the pure within category scoring. You can't have it both ways.
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Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2017, 02:03:02 PM »
STAGE scoring.  categories only.

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2017, 05:56:17 PM »
Total Time

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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2017, 06:50:49 PM »
Stage Points.   Total time simply encourages youthful, adolescent, reckless abandon.  We should be responsible adults.  Matches should ONLY be scored based on the overall finish, with category placements based on overall. 

Total time scoring is a falsehood perpetuated by a weak-willed majority, that want their participation trophy regardless of skill or actual performance.  Any event where raw speed outweighs the ability to hit targets has denigrated into less of a shooting contest and more of a "trigger drag race."

A contest where 4 people that shoot 12, fast, clean stages can be beat by someone that has misses, is no longer a contest of shooting skill.  Let's not become "cowboy with a 1911" all over again.

  ;D Griff, I was going to say something clever about this like why don't you just say what's on your mind? But it's so well written and makes the point so well that I just have to agree with you and I think you hit the nail on the head! You play'n this weekend? Dusty B

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Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2017, 08:14:10 PM »
STAGE POINTS!!

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Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2017, 08:18:47 PM »
Anyone who answered with two words gets a gold star, even if I disagree with you.  ;)
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2017, 09:01:25 PM »
Stage points
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2017, 10:09:45 PM »
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Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2017, 07:27:54 AM »
We intend to keep stage points for major matches. (WR, EOT) Until the problems with DNF's and SDQ's are addressed successfully with TT we plan to keep the system.  As for the issues at EOT the problems occur with ANY scoring system when there is a SDQ or a DNF when you score within category (a small pool) the SDQ or DNF becomes a huge factor.  When you re-score with a large pool (total shooters for overall) the SDQ/DNF becomes a much smaller factor. That is just the way math works.  One thing being considered is IF Overall Winners are going to continue (SASS likes them) Instead of scoring within category and then re-scoring Overall we may just do like TT and RP currently score. Just score everyone together in Overall and then pick the category winners out of that list in order. That would make it impossible for a person to NOT win their category and place above others in their category overall. The downside is you loose the pure within category scoring. You can't have it both ways.

What is the big fear and issue about a SDQ/DNF being a big deal..?..A DNF is a non factor.  They did not finish...next move on . A SDQ is a big deal or at least it should be if it is to count for something. If you screw up badly enough in the eyes of the rule book to cause a SDQ then you don't deserve to place ,you do however get to finish the match .If it is a MDQ then sorry ,off you go.   if you think an infraction that causes a SDQ is no big deal then make it not big deal and down grade it. 
Yes it is a shooting competition and you should be able to hit targets....quickly,for those that consider that speed is not important...well there are shooting sports that don't use timers .

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Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2017, 02:08:35 PM »
Stage Points

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Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2017, 09:27:02 PM »
Total Time

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Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2017, 03:12:44 PM »
STAGE POINTS

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Re: WBAS Scoring Poll
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2017, 08:43:29 AM »
stage points   (I'm from Illinois, like they do in Chicago, vote early, vote often)