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Title: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: Four Fingers Fred on December 06, 2018, 07:21:59 PM
Good evening folks, i am looking for a light winchester 231 match load.
I've been using 4.0gr of Titegroup behind 230 grains RN bullets for the last few years with relative success, but everybody keeps telling me that I should use something slower and less snappy than titegroup... (ok, i am running out of titegroup)
Anyone use w 231 behind 230 grains LRN ?

Thanks!

Four Fingers Fred, from the Ottawa Valley Marauders
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: J. Frank Norfleet on December 06, 2018, 08:02:00 PM
Absolute lightest recoiling load is Goatneck's load, 230 bullet with WST. I'm loading 4.5 gr now, will vary with pistol and primers. Chrono it to 160PF and you won't believe how easy it feels.
JFN
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: DUSTY BODDAMS on December 06, 2018, 08:57:06 PM
Jfrank 4.0 wst with a 230
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: Garrison Joe on December 06, 2018, 10:30:04 PM
To get back to original question, Win 231 will work fine in .45 auto and with a 230 grain slug.  I've loaded that to about 165 PF (years ago) and it's a nice, reliable load.   Try about 4.5 grains, and chrono in YOUR pistol because velocities in 1911's vary quite a bit gun to gun.

Good luck, GJ
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: KingSnake on December 07, 2018, 07:16:18 AM
To the OP,
I load 4.3 gr of Win 231 with a 230 gr LRN with hi-tek coating. OAL 1.225" with a tight crimp.
Gives me a PF of 160 here in Arizona in the 1911's Shotgun Shannon and I use.


KingSnake
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: Goatneck on December 07, 2018, 12:04:22 PM
When we used W231 in Precision Bullseye with a 200gr SWC H&G #68 bullet we used 4.0 grs.  In Wild Bunch the same 4.0gr of 231 with a 230gr bullet sized to .452 will give you a PF of about 160.  That's using my 1911's with Kart national Match Barrels. The same holds true with WST.  Using WST you can load 3.8grs to 4.0grs with my guns will give about the same PF of 160.  Keep in mind as stated earlier each 1911 will produce different PFs.  Check your loads once you settle on a load of your choice.
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: Watauga Kid on December 07, 2018, 04:48:30 PM
FFF I used HP38 or W231 at 3.8. I am using Trail Boss at 3.6. All 230RN with WLP primers. and Goatneck or Dusty Boddams do not duck for cover while I at the line. You will not double charge with TB. 
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: Four Fingers Fred on December 08, 2018, 06:49:19 AM
Thanks for your input my friends, i will do some load testing!
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: Grouchy Spike on December 08, 2018, 11:43:59 AM
FFF I used HP38 or W231 at 3.8. I am using Trail Boss at 3.6. All 230RN with WLP primers.

Kid, how much PF are you making? I load 4.0 TB to hit 160 PF with a 230 gr LRN bullet and Federal Large Pistol Primers.
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: VICIOUS on December 08, 2018, 08:42:29 PM
Hi gang. Cold weather has dropped the PF useing 231 from my summer time readings.
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: Goatneck on December 08, 2018, 10:26:17 PM
That's to be expected that is why you factor in a little extra PF
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: J. Frank Norfleet on December 09, 2018, 08:07:35 AM
Power factor is a moving target. DB was correct that 4.5 gr was high. My records show when I first started using Goatneck's load, I started with 3.8 gr. Over the years I have bumped that up to 4.2 to get a PF of 162. Change anything and the PF changes; bullets, SP vs LP brass, primers or pistol. I generally chronograph a sample of my match ammo before I leave for a major match. I learned that several years ago at Winter Range when my pistol ammo chrono'ed at 150.5 PF. I had bumped the powder bar adjustment when I was loading for the match.
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: Four Fingers Fred on December 09, 2018, 08:14:40 AM
That's the problem: summers here can be 30 celsius and winter can be -30 celsius... (between -22F to 86F)
I have all the winter to reload, but I can't really know how my reloads perform until spring... :-)
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: J. Frank Norfleet on December 09, 2018, 08:56:24 AM
Wow, celsius, had convert that. It is the temperature of the rounds not the temperature of the air the makes the difference. Load your rounds in mags and keep them warm until they are ready to be chronographed. 

Knew a IPSC shooter who had to put his ammo in on the dash board in the sunlight to make PF at a winter match. In service rifle we kept our ammo in an ice chest (no ice) to keep powders like 748 from going crazy in the summer sun.
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: Garrison Joe on December 09, 2018, 10:29:05 AM
One reason a lot of shooters settle in on Winchester Super Target (WST) powder is it's temperature insensitivity.  In fact, it is slightly slower in hot temperatures.   So, a load worked up in the summer will almost always maintain the same or higher power factor in cold temps.

Clay Dot is another powder that is very consistent over a range of normal temperatures. 

Good luck, GJ
Title: Re: 45acp 230gr load with W231?
Post by: Sgt. John Campbell on December 14, 2018, 08:32:25 AM
For my loads, i use 4.5 gr of 231 with 230 gr LRN bullets.  These work well in my SR1911, and I've had no problems with this load so far.