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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: BAMM
« Last post by trooper on July 12, 2019, 06:07:46 PM »
The pistol is a Chilean contract gun...so may well be marked as a "1911"... that would be amusing.    9mm Steyr , fixed 8 round mag in the butt loaded with stripper clips.    This may well be the easiest obsolete handgun to actually shoot.... why?

1.  Starline makes 9mm  Steyr brass (!!!!)  and in any case it is almost dimensionally identical to 38 Super Comp
2. 38 Super dies reportedly work just fine
3. Stripper clips?  LOL....  Rim diameter of 9mm Steyr is .382  -   And 5.56 rim diameter is .378.  Yes.. M16 stripper clips reportedly work!   How cool is that?

Do we have a "Foreign guns" side match for WB? 
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: BAMM
« Last post by trooper on July 12, 2019, 05:57:29 PM »
Well....  I now have the 95 Steyr...and have shot it.     Man.. did I get lucky.   It looks like a refurb...wood and bluing are very nice indeed (but stamped serial numbers on the wood are still very clear....)   Rifling looks crisp and sharp and... TBH?  Pretty much unused.

Receiver/barrel and stock have matching numbers... bolt and upper handguard do not.  Can't say i'm at all surprised. 

Sights and trigger are what you would expect on a rifle from that era... (im hoping the trigger can be improved..we will see!)   Accuracy is fine with jacketed. Waiting on some lead pills to try...  I tried the "% of case capacity" Trail Boss loads but couldn't get above about 1300 fps.  So a bit more research was done  and Im using the local "AR2209" which is pretty much an analogue of 4350.   

FOUR clips came with it...a little bonus.. and Wow!  What a great system!   On the fifth round there is a little "ping" and the clip falls out the bottom... as advertised.  Loading a clip is smooth and easy.    If you get the feeling Im impressed you are absolutely correct!     Being the Infantry Rifle it is quite long... a 30.5" barrel will do that....  but it handles pretty well.    I suspect I will haul it over there before too long...and join the fun...

An old CAS friend saw my photos of this rifle and revealed he had TWO of the 1912 Steyr pistols...  Because he's a good bloke he agreed to sell me one to "round out" my Austro-Hungarian combat set...lol          Sitting out the 28 day waiting period on that right now.... sigh.
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Wild Bunch Matches / Re: NM State Wild Bunch Aug 23-25
« Last post by trooper on July 12, 2019, 05:16:28 PM »
See ya there!!
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: buying a model 12
« Last post by Tully Mars on July 12, 2019, 07:08:37 AM »
I differ from Boggus in one aspect, my preference is a flagged carrier. Over the years I've seen a few M12's stopped in mid cycle do to the front end of the shotgun shell catching on the outer edge of the ejection port. It's my belief the flag helps insure that doesn't happen. However I own both style and haven't personally had this issue.

The slicked up M12 is way smoother then a slicked up 97', but most of that is overcome by the speed we run them at. Apparently there isn't that much weight difference between a M12 and 97', but I feel the 97' is heavier in the front and stays on target at speed better. That said I had to put weight in the magazine tube and butt stock to help me keep the M12 in control.

If your use to using the 97' and are going to shoot cowboy with it and it runs good for you, I don't really see a need to change. I believe that a 97' can be as competitive as a M12, however the M12's will be less likely to brake during a match.

Reliability is the reason so many top shooters have moved to M12's is my belief. Yes they are so SMOOOOOTH, but I'd bet side by side trials would show no speed advantage.

Tully
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: buying a model 12
« Last post by Boggus Deal on July 11, 2019, 09:02:49 PM »
No mods needed to load 6 other than removing the wooden plug in the mag tube. Personally, I don’t use the flag. Nor do I “tilt” the gun. I just run it! My new firing pin will be available soon that will address what I consider the only weak point of the Model 12.
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: buying a model 12
« Last post by lostvaquero on July 11, 2019, 08:06:17 PM »
So looking I get ones that say 3, 4, 5 capacity.  Do the guns have to be modified to handle six or is there some sort of limiter plug in the magazine. 

From the above guess better make sure it is a 2 3/4 gun.

I hear stuff about flag or no flag guess something to for with the lifter. 

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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: buying a model 12
« Last post by Boomstick Bruce on July 11, 2019, 11:11:32 AM »
I've got a Model 12 in great condition but I've continued to experience issues with it. I think it's me more than the gun...I've tore it down, cleaned everything and didn't see an issue with anything. It looked brand new inside. It runs fine when operating it slow and deliberate but when running it fast during a shoot, more often than not I encounter feeding issues where the live rounds don't make it into the chamber. Very frustrating because it's a well built gun. When it bobbled at the last local WB shoot I borrowed a Win 97 and shot the rest of the match with zero issue! I've got a 97 but haven't put it into service yet for CAS or WB. It just seems to be smoother for me than the Model 12. Anyone else experience the same thing?
No because the Model 12 is so much smoother and faster than the 97. It’s in technique. Why do you think the winners of Winter Range and EOT use Model 12s?

+1

i just sold the 97 that i bought from the WV showdown winner from a few years back. my bone stock 12 is much smoother than the 97 and even with all the trouble ive had with my 3" model 12, its still a smoother gun.

BTW, my new 2 3/4" lifter came in the mail today. its installed (FYI, the screw that holds it in is LEFT HAND THREAD!!! quite frustrating if you didnt know that :o) seems like that solved the problem but i wont know for sure until i take it to the range tomorrow...
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: buying a model 12
« Last post by Boggus Deal on July 10, 2019, 10:14:57 PM »
I've got a Model 12 in great condition but I've continued to experience issues with it. I think it's me more than the gun...I've tore it down, cleaned everything and didn't see an issue with anything. It looked brand new inside. It runs fine when operating it slow and deliberate but when running it fast during a shoot, more often than not I encounter feeding issues where the live rounds don't make it into the chamber. Very frustrating because it's a well built gun. When it bobbled at the last local WB shoot I borrowed a Win 97 and shot the rest of the match with zero issue! I've got a 97 but haven't put it into service yet for CAS or WB. It just seems to be smoother for me than the Model 12. Anyone else experience the same thing?
No because the Model 12 is so much smoother and faster than the 97. It’s in technique. Why do you think the winners of Winter Range and EOT use Model 12s?
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: buying a model 12
« Last post by Garrison Joe on July 10, 2019, 07:22:33 PM »
JB -

Yep.   
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: buying a model 12
« Last post by Joe Burr on July 10, 2019, 06:41:30 PM »
I've got a Model 12 in great condition but I've continued to experience issues with it. I think it's me more than the gun...I've tore it down, cleaned everything and didn't see an issue with anything. It looked brand new inside. It runs fine when operating it slow and deliberate but when running it fast during a shoot, more often than not I encounter feeding issues where the live rounds don't make it into the chamber. Very frustrating because it's a well built gun. When it bobbled at the last local WB shoot I borrowed a Win 97 and shot the rest of the match with zero issue! I've got a 97 but haven't put it into service yet for CAS or WB. It just seems to be smoother for me than the Model 12. Anyone else experience the same thing?
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