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Wild Bunch Rules Forum / Re: Cocked and locked?
« Last post by Tully Mars on April 23, 2018, 06:49:17 AM »
One big difference between WB and the other shooting sports is the proximity of the spotters and brass pickers to the shooter. We shoot from store fronts and props that put the spotters on the firing line or closer to it than other shooting sports. In Wild Bunch we're counting as the shooter shoots, not after when targets are taped and steel reset.

We have more instances of spotters or loading or unloading people being swept than any other shooting sport I've been to. If we now go fully locked and cocked without changing other aspects of the game we will in time have someone get shot. At least that's the way I see it.

Personally I'm a bit concerned that the new rule regarding tactical reloads may lead to someone getting shot in time. I'm not saying we Wild Bunch shooters are stupid or have unsafe gun handling skills. Only that the chances of being swept with a loaded or unloaded gun is greater than other shooting sports when our firing line is perpendicular to the targets. If we were moving down range and away from the firing line I'd feel differently.

Wild Bunch Matches / Re: 2018 LA State WB Championship May 4-6, 2018
« Last post by Nellie Blue on April 22, 2018, 09:02:39 PM »
And you KNOW there's gonna be GOOD food at the included lunches!!!

Wild Bunch Matches / Re: 2018 LA State WB Championship May 4-6, 2018
« Last post by Nellie Blue on April 22, 2018, 08:59:35 PM »
Needing something to do in 2 weeks?  Come join the fun!  Yes, we're still taking entries.

Come see the world famous Greased Lightnin shoot!!!  I even get to go shoot.  I'm kinda jazzed!!!  ;D ;D ;D
The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: WB RO Class at Legends Four Corners Regional
« Last post by Sgt. John Campbell on April 22, 2018, 07:54:39 PM »
Today's class was excellent, and J Frank Norfleet, Boggus Deal and Lil Italy deserve kudos for putting it on.  Now, with all these new RO's attending the match, some of us veteran RO's can get a break from TO duties every now and again.  It was also nice to receive clarification on a few of the new rulings from Happy Jack as well.
The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: 1911 Magazines
« Last post by Garrison Joe on April 21, 2018, 07:38:40 PM »
You can already read what my recommendation was to the OP on the original thread.  And that still stands in SPADES, IMHO.

Do you even know who makes those mags for SARCO?   There ain't a cheap imported magazine (nor a cheap USA made mag for that matter) that I would trust if I was using them to shoot apples out of a tree, let alone for a match or even more important, defense.   Life's too short and valuable to be laying on a gurney and in your last breath say, "but I saved $20 on that magazine in my jammed up 1911."

Back in my college days, yeah, I shot lots of various types of surplus mags in my Colt 1911.  If you rummage through my gear at a match today, you will find nothing but Tripps and a couple of old nostalgic 40 year old Colts.   If you can afford to shoot Wild Bunch, you can afford great mags and not be worrying about whether one will bite your butt.

There's a handful of parts that are really worth buying the best available for a 1911:
barrel bushing
slide stop

And AFAIK, the importance is in that order, most important at top.   Where's your magazine quality requirement fall?

Good luck, GJ

The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: how did BAMM get started?
« Last post by Grouchy Spike on April 21, 2018, 02:49:44 PM »
I forgot to mention that the Green Mountain Regulators near Marble Falls incorporate a BAM match into their monthly Long Range match on the 4th Sunday.  Long Range shooters shoot three targets at 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, and 400 yard lines for the precision sighted rifles, and BAM shooters shoot  three targets at each 100, 150, 200 yard line and then backwards 200, 150, 100 yards.Eighteen (18) shots on these targets.  Circuit Judge added three smaller targets for BAM shooters and three for Long Range, bringing the total to 21 shots.  While shooting BAM rifles out to 200 may not seem much challenge, there are bullseyes within each target scored for 2 points whereas hitting steel is one point.  This is the challenge.  I don't think that a BAM shooter has cleaned the match yet, although several have come close.

This is not a timed match, scored on points and any tie is broken by shoot-offs which are increasingly difficult until the tie is broken.
The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: how did BAMM get started?
« Last post by Grouchy Spike on April 21, 2018, 12:25:51 PM »
Here's what I know, or think that I know: BAM started in Texas at Comanche Valley Vigilantes when Dusty Boddams and Captain Jarrett et al decided to put their old military bolts into action as a side match. It caught on and Goatneck Clem introduced it into either WR or EOT and Evil Roy supported it.  Now the rifles have been included in the CVV  WB match in Doughboy category.  Hondo Tweed and the Oklahoma Territorial Marshals are using the old bolts too.  Hondo might tell us what they are doing.

After Dusty Boddams put a BAM rifle in my hands and said 'shoot' during the side match at the 2014 Texas State WB match, I carried the 'infection' down to the Texicans Rangers and the BAM shooters now number about ten with eight more 'lurking' with rifles but not yet shooting.

There are about 24 or more shooters spread  from south of Austin through The South Texas Pistolaros in San Antonio to the Texas Riviera Pistoleros at George West, and east through the Green Mountain Regulators at Marble Falls, through the Willow Hole Cowboys at North Zulch, to the Louisiana border.  Plus two west of Austin.  Way west at Anson. 

At the BAM side match during the Texas State Cowboy match, the president and vice president from the Butterflied Trail Regulators showed up with their 'new' BAM rifles and threw some lead downrange and I'm looking forward to hearing about their exploits in that club.  Brazos Belle joined the game too with coaching from Crooked Bullet.  Mechanical coaching, she don't need shooting coaching.  Canyon Jim from the South Texas Pistolaros smoked some 30-06 rounds at the targets too.

The Willow Hole Cowboys incorporate a full-fledged Wild Bunch category in their Saturday Cowboy matches. Since Shadow Doc and Odessa have BAM rifles, the club has incorporated them into the match WB match in a separate category shooting at the Cody Dixon targets.  I looked at those CD targets last year and they are not large and close.  Shadow Doc and Doc Profit used my 03A3 several months ago to put on a demonstration of hitting those targets, unsupported.  I was impressed!

For a while the Texicans allowed BAM rifles in a Sunday match Cowboy 1911 category as a take off on the Cody Dixon category but that's no longer allowed.  It was a hoot!

The 1903 and 03A3 lead the numbers in this area, followed by numerous versions of the Mauser.  The K31 is a sneaker.

If any other clubs using the old bolts in either BAM or WB, share your stories and ideas!   What models of rifles are y'all shooting?

The sure way to expand the game is to carry some extra ammo to a BAM match, invite the uninitiated to shoot five rounds (or more if you have the ammo).  Most of us will be HOOKED immediately and begin looking for a rifle. And more rifles.

If there is no established BAM match, survey among your club members for those who have old military bolts, talk about using them in a friendly competition and about BAM side matches.  You will be surprised at the number of cowboys who have an old military bolt in the safe. 

Is their military bolt rifle modified?  It might not fit the rules for BAM matches, but to kick start some competition, invite them to participate in an Open category.  Improvise, grow the game!
The Wild Bunch Wire / 1911 Magazines
« Last post by Grouchy Spike on April 21, 2018, 11:17:49 AM »
Has any Slide Action Shooter tried the 1911 magazines from Sarco?

And I'll drag this conversation over from the SASS wire:
Reloading for Wild Bunch / Re: 45 ACP Loads
« Last post by Black Mike on April 21, 2018, 10:14:44 AM »
Thanks for advice. Yep, my resize is .467. Slight band no problem.
The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: Question on costuming period?
« Last post by Garrison Joe on April 19, 2018, 09:11:03 PM »
Oh, JUST COME SHOOT with us!  the weather is starting to be too nice to spend any time indoors pawing through clothing racks!

I usually just have a half-placket solid color twill shirt and canvas jeans.  You only have to look like you are heading for Parral, Chihuahua, if you are really die hard for costume.

Once you shoot a couple matches, you will see there is a lot of latitude in the costume.  If you want a Montana Peak/Drill Instructor hat, fine.  If a sombrero keeps you cool, fine again.  But looking around at matches tells you SO MUCH more than what anyone here will provide in print.

Costume plays a less important role in WB than it does in Cowboy.  Unless you are going for a full-blown military outfit for the costume contest.

If there's "subtle visual differences" - likely no one but Captain Baylor will see them.  As for the gear that you shoot with (belt, holster, pouches)  I'd suggest you start with simple leather and then as it strikes you, add some of the web or canvas gear.   That period gear will not be very fast or comfortable compared to even the simple modern gear.

Good luck, GJ
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