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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: Model 12 issue
« Last post by Dead Head on January 19, 2020, 09:05:13 AM »
The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: Model 12 issue
« Last post by August West on January 19, 2020, 08:17:38 AM »
Is the gun "new" to you?   I ask because we really don't want to talk about the headspace shims in a M12, or the barrel to receiver fit.

And, presumably the LEFT extractor is working properly so we won't have to talk about that.  (it's concerning that you used the word "extractor" rather than "extractors" in your initial remarks).

We also don't want to talk about the lifter and whether, or not it is a correct 2 3/4" type.  (We've found 3" lifters in "2 3/4" guns)  A picture of the TOP of the lifter would eliminate the possibility of having to talk about this.

And, please let's not talk about how easy it is to assemble the M12 with the shell stop out of place, rather than tucked in, behind the barrel extension.  I don't want to be reminded of how many times I screwed this up in the past.

Since we don't wish to have those conversations, let's talk about ammunition.   My experience is that most/all M12s are particular about ammunition -- YMMV -- but that's my experience.  I've had to always shell-check each round for the M12, and -- again YMMV -- Winchester AA shells have always worked best for me (once I cull out the 20% of them that are bent, warped, and mutilated).

And, of course, the M12 seems to like being clean and generously oiled. 

I really hope we don't have to have the first four conversations.
The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: Model 12 issue
« Last post by Tully Mars on January 19, 2020, 06:59:34 AM »
Flagged or non flagged carrier? Pretty sure a good WB model 12 gunsmith can do work to correct the problem. I've seen this many times with non flagged M12's, it's concerning, because the extractor is in close proximity to the primer.

The Wild Bunch Wire / Model 12 issue
« Last post by Dead Head on January 19, 2020, 06:16:14 AM »
I've got a Model 12 that will jam once or twice or three times out of six shots.  The front right edge of the shell will jam against the right edge of the chamber.  The brass base is under the extractor.  I can open it a little and push the front of the shell to the left and it goes into the chamber fine.  Sometimes the next shell or one or two later will do the same thing (jam against the right edge of the chamber).

Oh, and yesterday while testing it I tried leaning the shotgun to the left (20-40 degrees) to see if that helped.  It didn't.

Any ideas?
The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: Texas State Wild Bunch 2020
« Last post by Abilene on January 18, 2020, 06:50:48 PM »
I don't think that anyone running GMR attended the last state match, which I understand had a lot of peripheral activities (BAMM, etc.), so they may not know what folks are used to in a big WB match.  We shall see.
Just an update to the match.

We had:
 2 Traditional Dough Boys
 1 Modern Dough Boy
 2 Modern
 1 Grand Dame
 1 Cody Dixon
 1 Gunfighter

Scores will be up soon at
The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: 1911 Cleaning Ways
« Last post by WildOkDee on January 17, 2020, 07:10:34 PM »
Thank you ...Thank you...Thank you   :D
The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: 1911 Cleaning Ways
« Last post by Blackfoot on January 17, 2020, 06:29:57 AM »
Hey Dee,  Don't overthink the issue of lube for Winter Range.  Most any common gun lube should work just fine.  The only time that I have known of a real problem was when Nonstop dropped a pistol during the cowboy match.  He had to feel around in a mud puddle to find it. Actually the lube on it wasn't a problem at all.  That being said, I like Rem Oil and also Ballistol. 

Blackfoot 8)

The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: 1911 Cleaning Ways
« Last post by Garrison Joe on January 16, 2020, 05:00:48 PM »
Cleaning or troubleshooting at EOT or WR is best done at one end of the Unloading table.   Firing line is way too busy most of the time.   You probably don't have room on most carts to hold all the loose pieces of a 1911 while you work on it.  As far as the rules go, it would be allowed to tear one down there, just return to the unloading table if you want to dry fire or cycle slide several times (just to keep from scaring the uninitiated).

For me, Rem Oil is quite capable of handling the environment at either venue.  Most other quality oils should do the same.  I really don't use a grease at all for a 1911.   If I get in a bad dust devil at EOT, I'll take a dry rag and a finger tip and wipe off as much as I can, but I have never had a gun get gunked up so as to effect the function.   Magazines can be clogged - so every time I get mine back, I look at the follower and wipe off dirt in that area.  I use no lube on or in magazines.

Good luck, GJ
The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: 1911 Cleaning Ways
« Last post by DUSTY BODDAMS on January 16, 2020, 04:36:48 PM »
WD, really when you get the right load and it’s clean shooting if you have a good oil that will stay on the rails and in place like Lucas gun oil a good pistol like yours will run several hundred rounds without doing anything. When I first started shooting WB after a day’s shooting the pistol had to be field stripped and cleaned before the next day. Now with cleaner powder and hitek coated bullets I can shoot a big match and a couple of small ones before I decide to clean it , but it’s still running great. That said magazines need cleaning every so often and if dropped in that talcum powder type sand it will be amazing to see how much of that can get inside.
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