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Wild Bunch Matches / BAMM Side Match at Texas State SASS Cowboy Match 4/12
« Last post by Grouchy Spike on March 06, 2018, 04:25:26 PM »
For all you crank shooters who are attending Comancheria Days 2018, the Texas State SASS Match, bring your BAM rifle and join the BAMM side match! 

There is a fifteen-round Sniper match with targets out to 123 yards and a fifteen-round Combat match with big targets at about 57 yards.  Can't miss'em!

The usual BAMM rules apply:

http://www.sassnet.com/wildbunch/forum/index.php?topic=1765.0

Cast Bullets ONLY please!
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Wild Bunch Rules Forum / Re: Lessons learned from WR?
« Last post by Garrison Joe on March 06, 2018, 10:35:10 AM »
I was also told that the [penalty for moving with] slide forward on an empty chamber or spent round changing from a SDQ to a MSV was well received.  (especially since it happened a few times)

We did see that on our posse once.  It was fortunately not called out loud while shooter continued through stage, but the MSV penalty was simply applied at the end of the run.   Shooter was relieved it was not the SDQ he expected.....

It's a good reduction of severity based upon the lack of a real hazard.  But it remains a slightly difficult one to adopt your TO style and habits to.

Good luck, GJ
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Wild Bunch Rules Forum / Re: Lessons learned from WR?
« Last post by Happy Jack on March 06, 2018, 09:00:26 AM »
I wasn't there, but the feedback I have received agreed with Boggus. The only problems mentioned were due to attempting to use a tactical reload. One shooter was given a reshoot because the TO stopped  him (RO interference) and others ended up with a "P" or had to take extra time to clear the pistol before restaging. With the limited round count in WBAS a tactical reload at this time is usually a BAD idea.  We allow them but it is up to the shooter to decide if it is an advantage.

I was also told that the slide forward on an empty chamber or spent round changing from a SDQ to a MSV was well received.  (especially since it happened a few times)
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: 7rds in the mag, best technique?
« Last post by J. Frank Norfleet on March 06, 2018, 07:24:00 AM »
Those I saw trying the tactical reload cost them time. Why fire the 6th shot at a target, reload and fire the 7th shot at the same target. The time lost in re-aquiring the target killed any perceived time gained.

Shooters trying it had to think way too much about the reloads to shoot the stage effectively.

BUT, there was one big advantage to the tac-reload rule change. On one stage I shot 6 rounds, dropped the mag and realized the slide was down as I inserted the new mag. A spotter behind me shouted "one more" (thanks BD) so I shot the 7th round and started the next sequence. The net result of that hiccup was a no call. In the previous year at WR, I did the same thing and had a minor safety in an otherwise clean match.

The benefit of the rule change is to do away with an unnecessary penalty.
JFN
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: 7rds in the mag, best technique?
« Last post by Tully Mars on March 06, 2018, 06:18:00 AM »
We had one shooter that did well with the tactical reload, however I'm not convinced it saved time. Your still dropping the magazine, bringing the gun closer to your body for the reload, hitting the slide release at that point isn't costing you any time. Of course if the slide release is awkward for you or you release the slide by pulling it then it might be a good option. 

Personally I would be concerned that if a shooter gets into the shoot six and reload habit that they will eventually move on that sixth round sooner or later. I heard till of other posse's having issues with movement on the sixth round, but can't verify it.

It's kinda like double cocking as a Gunfighter, that's caught me on a split pistol stages.

Tully
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Wild Bunch Rules Forum / Re: Lessons learned from WR?
« Last post by Boggus Deal on March 06, 2018, 06:14:30 AM »
As the match director, I saw only good stuff from the rule changes. I think all really enjoyed the 7 rounds in the mag.
No on DQed for the Model 12 as far as I know. If anyone knows otherwise, please let me know.
As for tactical reloads, everyone I saw try it either got a P or had a miss on the sixth or seventh round. Having practiced it quite a lot before and after the rule change, I can say my split times are not affected very much.
Thanks for asking!
Boggus
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The Wild Bunch Wire / Re: 7rds in the mag, best technique?
« Last post by Garrison Joe on March 05, 2018, 09:34:07 PM »
I shot all seven to slide lock, as I was used to with just 5'ers.  I've been shooting seven in mag for everything but Bordertown for almost a year now.   Saw several folks have problems trying to do the 6 and recharge.  With the sweeps at WR set for seven or multiples, usually, they could forget to finish their current sweep after charging mag.   As a traditional shooter very used to hitting the slide release with shooting thumb, I could not gain much time at all, I would think.   Perhaps the modern shooters can, but I doubt it.

A tactical reload didn't seem to help anyone I saw shooting them.

A year's worth of practice by those shooters may make a difference.   A 6 shot sweep might make it attractive, too.

IMHO, a tactical reload is most valuable when you never can have your gun empty (as in a real gunfight).  Since our targets don't try to shoot back as you are slapping a mag in, well, it is just a game.   ;)

Guess we will see another demo of it at EOT. 

Good luck, GJ
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Wild Bunch Rules Forum / Lessons learned from WR?
« Last post by Tucker McNeely on March 05, 2018, 08:45:52 PM »
What things did we learn from the practical application of the new rules at WR?
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I hope you guys have video or two to show off the next time we meet in the trail.  Well done!
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The Wild Bunch Wire / 7rds in the mag, best technique?
« Last post by Tucker McNeely on March 05, 2018, 08:34:22 PM »
For those that have a match under the belt, shoot until slide lock or combat load after you shoot 6 from the first magazine?  What little testing that I have done, I save time without have to release the slide into battery.  But it looks a little easier to brain dump the scenario and lose time there also with a P or having to stop and recount your steps.  What say you?
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