Idle Thoughts -- More Shotguns

[Lone Dog]

Well it is way past time we allowed the 87 to play in this game. I have shot a coupla local matches with mine and let me tell ya it is a real hoot to run that levergun fully stoked on a 6 shot WBAS run. I know I have suggested this before and got nowhere with it. I really cannot see why not. It is just as likely back in the day that an 87 would have been being utilyzed as it is a M12 was. Know whut I mean Vern?

Also the new Ithaca/Inland Mod 37 trench gun looks perfect for this game. It sho am purdy. A little bit ( ok what the hell a lot ) pricey for a pump gun but dang do it look spiffy. I may never get one unless I find a used one worth the money someday but until that time I can dream...

[Wild Bodie Tom]

PM Happy Jack.
just sayin...lol

[Sgt. John Campbell]

Last time I watched the movie "The Wild Bunch", on which our sport is based, I don't seem to recall seeing any Winchester 87 shotguns being used, just Model 97's and Model 12's.  You can shoot a Model 97, you can shoot an IAC 97/93, you can shoot a Model 12, or you can shoot trench gun variations of all these...we don't need any more shotgun choices.

[Lone Dog]

Well originally I guess WBAS was based on the movie, now not so much. Mebbeso more a blend of the movie and the Punitive Expedition. Strother Martin used an 03 in the movie and we don't allow it in the main match. There were 87s around in the time of the movie is set in. I'm bettin' if ole Sam Peckinpah had thot about it there would have been an 87 or two in the movie. Bet. There were certainly those amongst us who thot we did not need the M12 in this game but now thankfully we have them. Just blanket statement-ing "we doan need no mo guns" is narrow-minded. Of course we do. Just think -- maybe it will bring all the CAS shooters with an 87 and a 1911 into the game. There is no competitive advantage to the 87 and I am here to testify it is a major hoot to stoke it up and cut loose like Saint JMB designed it to do.

[Griff]

Can I get an "Amen" for the Auto 5? 

[J. Frank Norfleet]

"Amen" Now what is an auto 5?

[Boggus Deal]

The old Browning hump back semi auto.

[Griff]

"Amen" Now what is an auto 5?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Auto-5, designed in 1898, patented in 1900 and first produced by FN in 1902, marked in the US as Browning Automatic 5, and FN in the rest of the world.



2nd most produced auto-loading shotgun.  Produced by FN, Remington, Savage and Miroku. 

[Lone Dog]

Nerp.  No amen on any autoloaders as too many would cry "foul" and perceive a competitive advantage. And they could might well have a point there. No advantage to the 87. So, Griff, if the Auto 5 is the second most widely produced autoloader of all time inquiring minds want to know what is first? My guess is Rem 1100...

[DUSTY BODDAMS]

  actually as we use shotguns in wild bunch based on six rounds  the remmy  knock offs and the Brownings would not be competitive at all. Dusty

[Lone Dog]

There are Auto 5 variants, notably the South African riot gun, with extended mags and forearms that not only would be competitive but dominant. I want one in the worst way.

[DUSTY BODDAMS]

I know the gun your talking about and I would love to get one. They are expensive but if that gun was legal it would be king of the road........ Dusty

[Lone Dog]

Yes it sure would. What are the rules about adding extended mag tubes to otherwise legal guns such as the lightweight Model 12 ?

[DUSTY BODDAMS]

Can't add an extended tube under current rules. That said if you get one of them South African a5's bring it with you and we will shoot an "off the books " stage with it and see how it does against a model 12.

[Lone Dog]

Not likely. They are like hen's teeth. Never seen airy one 'cept in pictures